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Season 1, Episode 2
Host:
Drew Rogers
Rok Kopp, Co-Founder and Chief Growth Officer at Ether.fi, breaks down why a crypto card alone is "dead in the water"as a standalone business, and how Ether.fi is building a non-custodial, crypto-native neobank on top of a staking base that already counted more than 100,000 wallets before the Ether.fi Card ever launched.
Rok explains why vertically integrating the full product stack (staking, liquid vaults, borrowing, and now spending) is the only way 3% cashback actually works as unit economics, why stopping token emissions almost completely was the counterintuitive move for long-term retention, and how Ether.fi has scaled without any paid marketing by cross-selling into its own existing distribution. He gets honest about the positioning gap ("we're still too crypto-native") and what it will take to cross the chasm to mainstream users, shares lessons from seven years scaling Top Hat revenue from $1M to $30M alongside co-founder Mike Silagadze, and explains why Brazil became the natural first region (PIX integrations, native Portuguese, Android-first). Plus: why Robinhood's 3% retirement match is a signal the race for neobank customers is about to be the best era in memory for consumers.
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